On The VICE Guide to Right Now, VICE’s new daily podcast, we delve into the biggest news of the day and give you a rundown of the stories we’re reading, working on, and fascinated with.

Today we run through the major headlines before hearing from producer James Burns, whose new documentary chronicled the Brutal Black Project: a tattoo collective giving free ink to anyone willing to go through excruciating, hours-long sessions that are more about pain than aesthetics. James talked about what it was like to be in a room with someone enduring borderline torture, and explained why anyone—from the artists to the clients—would want to take part in Brutal Black.

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